# Interview of Sachiro Fujita

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> Source: Bahá'í Library Online (bahai-library.com), curated by Jonah Winters. Used by permission of the curator. Original citation: Sylvia Ioas, Interview of Sachiro Fujita, bahai-library.com.
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> Interview of Sachiro Fujita
> 
> Sylvia Ioas
> 
> 1975
> 
> Note:
> Sachiro Fujita was born in Yanai, Japan, April 15, 1886, and died in Haifa May 7, 1976.
> 
> He is buried at the Bahá'í cemetery at the foot of Mt. Carmel.
> 
> The following is inscribed atop his grave (from a photo taken by Robert Stauffer in 1978):
> 
> "Thou wilt render a great service
> 
> and this will become the cause of
> 
> thy everlasting glory." — Abdu'l-Bahá
> 
> Mount Carmel, November 24th, 1965.
> 
> Would you like to know something about my life? I, I left Japan 1903,
> and, ah, landed in San Francisco November 9th, 1903, and, ah, remained
> in San Francisco about a year. Then I happened to meet Mrs. Kathryn Frankland
> in Oakland. There I received Message, Bahá'í Message.
> 
> ("You were how old?")
> 
> About 17. In Oakland about 5 years. I finished my, ah, high school in
> California, then I went from there to Cleveland, Ohio. From there I, ah,
> wish to attend, ah, University of Michigan, but, ah, 1912, `Abdu'l-Bahá
> came to United States. From, uh, then I went to Chicago to meet Him. That's
> when really my Bahá'í, ah, life began. I was in Cleveland, Ohio, there
> was a Bahá'í, Doctor Barton-Peek. She informed me `Abdu'l-Bahá in Cleveland,
> and I was away. I didn't get the message the next morning. Then, immediately,
> I went Doctor Barton-Peek's office. I ask, message just received, I can
> call or not. She says, "Well, too bad that `Abdu'l-Bahá just left." I says,
> "Well, I'm very sorry I was away, I couldn't meet Him. When can I make
> contact with `Abdu'l-Bahá?" Says, "The best thing is you can wire to Mr.
> Windust in Chicago, maybe he will tell you just when to come to Chicago."
> So immediately, I wired to Mr. Windust, he says he's waiting for any time
> for arrival of `Abdu'l-Bahá. So, I took opportunity, I went to Chicago.
> 
> About 8 o'clock in the evening He arrive in Chicago. He was very nice.
> At the front of LaSalle Station, embrace me, "My Japanese." And then, He
> says, "You follow Me." He is going to, ah, Mrs. True's home. He give a
> lecture. We had a wonderful time in Mrs. True's home. From there to Kenosha,
> I went Kenosha, you know? There's some Bahá'í there. `Abdu'l-Bahá spend
> overnight. That's where `Abdu'l-Bahá asked me to join His party to go to
> California.
> 
> I received Tablet in 1905. I had received Message 1904, but actually
> Bahá'í since I received the Tablet, the first Tablet, of `Abdu'l-Bahá.
> It's published in Tablets of `Abdu'l-Bahá.
> 
> One day `Abdu'l-Bahá asked me, "Would you like to go to California?"
> I said, "certainly". Can you leave my work? I said, "yes." I went back
> to Cleveland and, ah, took leave, went to California with `Abdu'l-Bahá's
> party.
> 
> On the way we made many stop. First of all St. Paul, Minneapolis, Denver,
> Colorado, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco. Jenabi Ali-Akbar and, ah,
> Doctor Farid, Ahmad Sohrab, and, ah, Mirza Mahmud, we are all together,
> six in the party.
> 
> On the way to Colorado, Denver, Colorado, we stopped in the hot spring
> -- Glenwood Springs. We had a very nice time! Spent one day in, ah, Hotel,
> ah, Glenwood.
> 
> He got so tired. He says He want to go to bath. We had the hot spring
> there, yeah. And He went and all of us, "Lets go to have a good walk."
> Then He stay in the hot springs longer than anybody else. And when He come
> out, He call me, "Give Me massage." "Give Me massage." Relaxed. Slept hours!
> Then after we had rested, and then we went back to hotel.
> 
> Then, ah, by time of dinner, they didn't set, and, ah, they were set
> for five. `Abdu'l-Bahá went and He said, "Why, that? We have six in the
> party!" And the waiter said, "Well, he is your servant." "That doesn't
> matter. Make another place. It doesn't make any difference whether servant,
> or different color. We are all one. He would sit there, and Fujita come
> here." It was so beautiful. And all the Persians, five of 'em, around.
> And so, then the waiter was very much surprised.
> 
> He gave us permission, so we took walk around the city. And on the way
> back I saw a little shop, with a great big watermelon, ripe, red. So, I,
> myself, like watermelon, so I bought it and carried big watermelon like
> this, and when I brought home to `Abdu'l-Bahá, sitting He watch me, "What
> do you got there?" He says. I said, "I have watermelon."
> 
> "All right, come!" Immediately, He put His hand in the center of the
> watermelon and started eating. "Wait, `Abdu'l-Bahá, I want to bring you
> a knife and a fork!" "No, never mind." I was glad. And then we had to share
> with all Bahá'ís. And then at midnight we took train, at midnight. Always
> midnight. Hard times. Then we went, ah, Glenwood Springs. Stop off there
> one night.
> 
> Salt Lake City! After the horticulture show. We walked down to the street.
> There, the street was lined up with people, and, ah, there was gonna be
> a parade of, ah, celebration. We didn't know anything about it. "Come."
> Walked right in the center of the street, and on the car line, six of us,
> He is ahead, like this. All the people lined up and thought, "Head of the
> procession is coming down". We didn't say anything, "Where you been?",
> I said "I'm going back to hotel." Hotel is way down that street. And He
> came down, walk, walk, walk. And, ah, now, the parade is going on, we go
> to restaurant have something to eat.
> 
> That day we went Mormon Church. Can't get in. In the morning we went.
> Strange thing, they don't let us in. Then, so, instead of that, we went
> horticulture exhibition. Then `Abdu'l-Bahá said "This Salt Lake City is
> beautiful, but spiritually dead." But the horticulture exhibition He enjoyed.
> He walked, walked, walked, and collect all the seeds He going to buy, and
> give to gardener.
> 
> From Salt Lake City to San Francisco, it took us many hours to go to
> Oakland. My goodness! Long ride in America. We were so tired. That's why
> usually stop off and go into hotel to have a rest overnight. Hard journey,
> on the train, coaches, wooden benches. Sacrifice for us every way. Even
> when we stop in a hotel, nobody come to call on us. But newspaper reporters
> always come and they get some new ideas of `Abdu'l-Bahá. He gave nice talk.
> 
> `Abdu'l-Bahá was so spiritually attractive, you know. You know, that
> `Abdu'l-Bahá, ah, give a talk in San Francisco, Stanford, also, visited
> Mrs. Hearst's newspaper. And then we remain in Mrs. Goodall's home for
> a couple nights. Then, `Abdu'l-Bahá wished to get a little apartment in
> San Francisco. We stay month because too many people, were always so many
> people, `Abdu'l-Bahá don't want to impose upon on Mrs. Goodall's home.
> That night, `Abdu'l-Bahá was very much disturbed when we reached San Francisco.
> `Abdu'l-Bahá said, called Ahmad Sohrab, "You go direct back to Mrs. Goodall."
> "But it's midnight, there's no boat that go back." "Never mind, you go
> back." He forced him to go back. And when he got back, we were at the apartment,
> waiting for him to return. He came way midnight, I mean after, ah, early
> in the morning. He said, "There is no cane". Usually `Abdu'l-Bahá used to
> carry a cane. He happened to left the cane on dresser, I think. `Abdu'l-Bahá
> said "Where leaved it?" Then ever since He had to, ah, write "`Abdu'l-Bahá
> Abbas" on, ah, any correspondence. No seal.
> 
> Then from there, back to Chicago. `Abdu'l-Bahá wished to take me with
> Him. He had so many party waiting in New York, so wait until He would send
> for me. Mrs. True asked `Abdu'l-Bahá, "Mr. Fujita have a home." And then
> `Abdu'l-Bahá was very pleased, "that's very good," so I stayed with Mrs.
> True's home seven years. So I knew all, Edna, and Dr. True. `Abdu'l-Bahá
> want, He says I should study first of all electricity and horticulture,
> many instruction, practical knowledge. `Abdu'l-Bahá wished me to come to
> Holy Land very early. But war broke out 1914, so I remained until war is
> over. `Abdu'l-Bahá sent for me, 1919, I was able to come to Holy Land.
> 
> You know, in Chicago, when `Abdu'l-Bahá dedicated the Temple, laid the
> foundation stone, first garden, around the side, made a nice little garden,
> circle garden. We used to go out there for picnic grounds, you know. It's
> pretty, was a wild place. Now it's a wonderful Temple grounds. I like to
> see it someday.
> 
> I met Mr. Ioas in Chicago, 1912. I know Mr. Ioas' father and mother
> very well. They were already Bahá'í. We used to gather in, ah, western
> Chicago. Mrs. True's home, different places. Mary Lesch, and Mr. Windust
> and Sheffler. I used to go to Mr. Windust's printing office and help, ah,
> Gertrude Buikema, help her with "Star of the West." In America, I'm very
> active. Can listen, we used to have nice dinner, after the meeting. Now,
> those days! It was wonderful in Chicago, 1911, 1912. 1911, I was in Cleveland,
> Ohio. But in 1912 went to Chicago. Those days, you know, very few Bahá'ís.
> Now there are so many! Only handful, used to be, even no Assemblies. Most
> of Bahá'ís in either New York, Chicago. Now they are all over the United
> States. Well, same way with Japan. There is only a handful now, they eventually,
> many will become Bahá'í.
> 
> Then I, ah, had instruction `Abdu'l-Bahá, to "Fujita should come to
> Holy Land in way of Atlantic." New York to, ah, Europe. Ita, ah, Naples.
> I stay in, ah, Naples long, one month to get my visa. Difficult in coming
> to Haifa. Because I wire to `Abdu'l-Bahá, "I'm returning," then through
> `Abdu'l-Bahá, so Lord Allenby wired to consulate in Rome issue the passp,
> the visa, arrived in Haifa.
> 
> Oh! He was so happy! There is many Persian believers wait, there standing,
> and He was walking in the garden, up and down, you know. It was early in
> the morning, when that, 9, about 9 o'clock. Usually `Abdu'l-Bahá take a
> little walk up and down, visit the pilgrims. Mostly Persian pilgrims those
> days, early time. Then, from there `Abdu'l-Bahá said "Come on, I will introduce
> you to My family." Then I went in Greatest Holy Leaf's room and met all
> the ladies of the Household ever since they are in Haifa. Although I haven't
> served very much, you see I stayed with `Abdu'l-Bahá, ah, two years. I
> used to go around everywhere. Always He ask me to go with Him. Even on
> the Christmas Day, we have a little church here, behind the Master's house,
> we call on them. Have taken a picture too, with Master and ah, minister
> and myself. Once we have a walk up to the, I mean, a drive up to the college,
> up to top of mountain. There used to be a German hospice and, ah, we had
> a key and looking over, I says, "`Abdu'l-Bahá, this is a wonderful place,
> and, I like have such a place like this." "What?" he said, "You small man,
> you want a big house like this? Little chicken coop is good enough for
> you!" He laughed, and then He said "Never mind, in the future you will
> have the best place in the world."
> 
> And, ah, He wanted to go to Jerusalem but He became sick and, ah, passed
> away. He had planned to go, pay a visit to High Commissioner, Lord Allenby,
> He told me that. Yes, we made many trips, all round here. Even, ah, He
> took me to mosque. He usually go every Friday morning, before He passed
> away. I don't know how to pray, but Muslim, yeah, the notables from Haifa.
> (laughter) Many things happen.
> 
> During time of Master, He was not much organized. He is more of a free.
> Many pilgrims come here and visit Him. Some of them stay quite many days.
> `Abdu'l-Bahá like to make friend with all communities. Went once to the
> nun's convent. We used to call. Went to Tiberias. He always stay in Mrs.
> Grossman's hotel, and, ah, He had a special room, on the top of the roof.
> He used to enjoy it very much. Used to go then from there He used to go
> to Ti.., ah, his farm near `Adasiyyih, that's where He raised wheat, and
> distributed it among the people, poor people, during the war. From `Adasiyyih,
> those, ah, believers there, they send them over, bring them over here,
> Haifa, and He distribute it to all the poors here. Those were the days
> of, ah, very, ah, scarcity of food in Haifa.
> 
> The British government acknowledged and knighted `Abdu'l-Bahá. We went
> to the day of knighted. He didn't go direct to front of the gate, no, He
> went in car, no. I waited for car, but He won't take it, no, Isfandiyar
> to carriage had to run. Beautiful lesson I learn. Many things. Those little,
> touch, little things, just walking on the street here, always have some
> significances. The garden near ( ) has two olive tree, big trees, yeah.
> He used to sit down there, used to be not so smooth, but big rock, He sit
> there, and, ah, all the people passing Him by, He give a few piasters each.
> Friday after mosque, at the gate, everybody waiting for His arrival, always
> handout, when He had run all out, and ask for little change. So I always
> have few small coins.
> 
> We used to go to, ah, the Mansion Bahji, in Pilgrim House, where Mrs.
> ah, Mrs. Ward is there, there is a one room there, and many, ah, pilgrims.
> We had one side where now Mrs. Ward's living room, that used to be our
> pilgrim room. There nothing but a mat and, ah, sleep there, there used
> to be some platform there, so couple of us sleep and some one down on the
> floor, and the Master to the one room. Early in morning He used to chant.
> Oh, that's a wonderful, wonderful place! Early in the morning. Himself.
> Sometimes He go to over there, ( ), all depend on His affair. You see,
> there many notable call on Him from Abu-Sinan. There's a little Druze village
> there. They come down, we had to entertain them sometimes from the Akka.
> 
> Garden of Ridvan is the most wonderful place to be. I love it! Those
> days, time of `Abdu'l-Bahá. You know, Feast of Ridvan, we used to go over
> there and have a luncheon, eat there. Caretakers used to give us, ah, nice
> tea and we come back in the afternoon. Whole island and garden and there's
> a big water (pump), donkey go round, and, ah, raise the water, like a windmill.
> We go. ( ) today. Big ( ) today, now. And beyond it is a little platform
> they built, and the donkey it used to carry, go around, go around, and
> go around, without stopping for hours, and that watered the whole garden.
> Used to be nice platform, and step, and the water go round, and we used
> to wash our hand, and, and yes, yes, now everything filled up with those
> ( ).
> 
> Abu-Sinan, Druze, `Abdu'l-Bahá used to go over there, visit the Shaykh.
> We used to go up there and, ah, remain the day, then come home. There's
> a few hours ride. Every, ah, Sunday our meeting day, we used to first have
> a meeting in the Pilgrim House, `Abdu'l-Bahá, ah, visit with `Abdu'l-Bahá,
> and after the, ah, tea and the sweets is served, then visit the Shrine.
> Sometimes He chant, sometimes He, ah, ask one of the believers have a very
> good, sweet voice, would chant. Ladies go in the one side, and the gentlemen
> the other side. Those days it was different. Now we are more mixed.
> 
> Bahji, when we have a certain, ah, Feast day, Birthday of Bahá'u'lláh,
> we used to go over there. I have a wonderful Feast, any Feast in, ah, at
> the Pilgrim House, central room. `Abdu'l-Bahá, very generous, very kind.
> 
> Then Mrs. Emogene Hoagg -- she stayed a month there! That little house,
> little sitting room, top of the stables, garage. Yes! Isfandiyar used to
> keep two, three horses, and the carriage, and he sleep in there, all his
> life, and at last he moved to Number 7, to back room, where I sleep in
> the room now, of course. `Abdu'l-Bahá, every morning, right after tea --
> He had tea -- and He go up and dictate Tablet. All the correspondence,
> till, oh, oh, nearly noon. He had a secretary like Ali-Kuli Khan and some
> other, ah, secretary, and, ah, then when He finished the important correspondence
> He would visit the pilgrims. All the Persian pilgrims waiting down below,
> near the, that, ah, avenue there, hoping see `Abdu'l-Bahá. Then He called
> individuals. I think about, oh, sometimes, oh, 40 all depends on pilgrims,
> you see, yeah, 40, we had many Bahá'ís around Haifa and Nazareth, Tiberias,
> and `Adasiyyih. They all come, and Akka. Oh yes! Forty, fifty, a hundred,
> sometime. ("With children?") Oh, yes! Big group, ah, group of believers,
> adult and children all together. So we had a very big meeting. Oh, yes,
> Master's presence everybody very reserved, and one or two He appointed
> someone to chant. Just one; one chanting. Then they go to Shrine.
> 
> When I arrived from America to Haifa, first day, soon after visiting
> all the pilgrims, you know, `Abdu'l-Bahá motioned me to come, to go to
> see the Greatest Holy Leaf's room. "Now," He says, "I want you to acquainted
> with Family. Member of the Family, and make yourself at home." That's one
> the touching privilege I have had. Greatest Holy Leaf used to supervise
> the kitchen. She supervise everything! She is wonderful! The way she go
> about. All the family used to have tea with `Abdu'l. Oh, very early. Very
> early. And in the Greatest Holy Leaf's room. Oh yes. I used to go there,
> have tea, and she ask someone to chant and dispersed, and go back to work.
> Edna True used to stay here for some month, she used to visiting. From
> that little house, Pilgrim House, it used to be, we go over there, have
> tea. Then we have big breakfast at the Pilgrim House. Sometimes there's
> some pilgrims go after having taken tea, go up to visit the Shrine, and
> come down for breakfast.
> 
> Yes, `Abdu'l-Bahá was very, very kind to me. We had many trips, many
> jokes. I used to grow my beard, you know. He play with it! I had my beard
> first time I went to back to Japan, 1936, I come back with beard. Then
> I was working out in the garden, and everybody look, make fun of me, so
> I asked the Guardian, "You don't mind I shave my beard, do you?" He said,
> "Why not?"
> 
> Shoghi Effendi used to play in American University, spring, summer,
> he used to come down, come home for holiday. We used to play tennis down
> below here. And, some of the grandchildren of `Abdu'l-Bahá used to play
> down here. Especially I made tennis court. All that now garden, is shape
> of tennis court. That's a year's work.
> 
> And this house, when they built, I build the foundation on. They give
> me that big cistern back there, carrying all dirt out in the street, level
> it, even tennis court, I laid down. Those days I was a little stronger.
> Carried a basket with dirt. Of course we had many laborers, you know. This
> place is just nothing but a hill, a rocky hill, excavated, leveled, it's
> just like mountain, making garden.
> 
> Yes. `Abdu'l-Bahá used to walk right on that main, little street, used
> to be narrow like this. I used to level it, widen. He used to walk from
> little house, up there. I was cleaning, smoothing and laugh, I was working,
> I mean, leveling, working hard, making a path, road for easy to walk. He
> used to take walk right around here, up to the German colony here, a couple
> block, and then come home.
> 
> You know, before `Abdu'l-Bahá passing away, it was on a Friday, we went
> visit the mosque in Haifa, Friday morning. That day return from mosque,
> He had to walk up the step. He says "I am tired," went into the room. Then
> Friday, Saturday, Sunday! Three days. Sunday night, He passed away. Those
> days we had many American pilgrims there. That Mr. and Mrs. Hoagg, Boschs
> were there. I heard the cry, deafening noise. So immediately I went up
> this gate, there's many collected and mourning, the Eastern believers very
> demonstrative, you know. I said "What is it?" "It's `Abdu'l-Bahá has passed."
> So immediately I come back to Pilgrim House, informed them. And some of
> them come out, come now. That day. It's one o'clock, and all the family
> are all together there. Can't help. Doctor just left, Dr. Habib, that Christian
> Arab, that's their family doctor. Then from that room we had after few
> days, the day in Mount Carmel. I went there myself, making a place. ( )
> called, ah, Ramatullah, he's very strong man, he carried casket way down.
> Ramatullah lived a long time ago, he was caretaker, gardener, very nice
> man. He had a big family, but years ago.
> 
> All the notables from Haifa and Jerusalem, all were collected here,
> ah, for funeral. Even Herbert Samuel, walked right up, passing Master.
> Just out from this room, Number seven, and go around, Rahmatu'llah turn
> corner, in front of center of church, then go up, up, up, up, up to the
> Shrine. Everybody carrying casket up to the resting-place. Then up memorial
> day, we had biggest service here in Number seven. Then we had biggest dinner,
> luncheon served in, ah, Number nine. That one of the daughter's family,
> Ruha Khanum.
> 
> Will of, ah, `Abdu'l-Bahá read in Number seven. In the center of the
> hall! That room! Oh, we had the biggest, ah, meeting there. All sitting
> on floor. A prominent Bahá'í, from Egypt, he read the Will, right in the
> corner, and everybody faced, and everybody sat around, even the Nakazeen,
> some of the Nakazeen was among us, violator. Very touching ceremony. Oh,
> from early in morning, we had a meeting, ah, to go some time, to circulate
> all the Will of `Abdu'l-Bahá. Every time mention, ah, Shoghi Effendi's
> name, everybody arise. Very respectable, very. That's why the Shoghi Effendi
> is be Guardian of the Cause. That day. ( ) family, back in that tea room
> now. See, the gentlemen and the ladies are all segregated. They know, behind
> the curtain, they all know. The Will of `Abdu'l-Bahá was read, everybody
> consented, Shoghi Effendi is the Guardian of the Cause. That's final, nobody
> object, and then after the passing `Abdu'l-Bahá, the reign of Guardian,
> Shoghi Effendi.
> 
> I stayed many years. You know, even all family close to `Abdu'l-Bahá
> is all gone. No Bahá'ís here, used to be whole street was Bahá'ís here.
> Only few family here in Haifa. I'm still here. I went back to Japan on
> leave, 1936. I stayed in Japan three months, and then I come back. In 1938,
> Shoghi Effendi said "You go back to Japan. War is coming." Then I stayed
> in Japan from 38 to 55. Yes, 17 years I was in Japan. During all war. You
> see, I couldn't come back here before. Very difficult to get the passage,
> visa, passport. Yes, ever since then I am here. Nearly 50 years!
> 
> And, Shoghi Effendi gave me that piece of land on Mount Carmel to develop.
> Right above the Archive Building, little group of pine trees there. I started
> work very hard. Before Guardian passed away, I created, cleaned every afternoon
> we was together up the mountain. He come up to where I am working, he come
> up every afternoon, to see. He see, wonderful sight, ah, place to observe
> what's going on in the garden - developing, watching. He wanted to develop
> the other side of the Archives, but suddenly didn't finish it. Eventually
> the House of Justice develop. He want to finish everything. He couldn't
> finish it. Beautifully, side of Archive Building. It's not detached yet.
> From 4 o'clock on, come up. He usually drive up and then walk down. Used
> to be no steps, wide, just a mountain path. Then until sunset, visit the
> Shrine, he come home have dinner. He like to walk very much. He used to
> have dinner here with the pilgrims. Yes, he works very hard. I miss him
> very much. Guardian, we're too busy. He works day and night. I messenger
> boy, up and down, up and down the stairs. He was very kind to me. He trusted
> me, so I am able to stay here a long time (laugh), so long, I don't know.
> 
> That's brief story of my Bahá'í life. I don't know, I haven't served
> anything very particular. But, I'm able to stay here so many years. Maybe
> good thing for Japan, sometimes I think of it.
> 
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